Ego vs. Self in Daoism: A Western & Asian View

Ego and Self: A Question for Painting

A saint raises a cross against an enormous apparition. Elsewhere, a robed figure sleeps against a tiger. These images bring me to a question I keep returning to: must we fight what troubles us, or can our relationship to it change?

I use ego here in an everyday sense: the part of us that needs to be important, recognised or right, and feels threatened when its position is challenged. This is a personal inquiry through paintings, rather than an application of Sigmund Freud’s technical model of the mind. Daoism and Zen offer different ways of approaching the question; neither fits neatly into a single Western pair of terms.

The other essays in this series are collected under Daoist Talks.

Our Ego

Some years ago I heard a psychotherapist say in a radio interview that many of the people he met struggled to love themselves. A coach had recently told me something similar. The resemblance made me listen. I took it as a question about our need for reassurance, rather than a diagnosis that could explain everyone’s life.

Consider John, an imagined manager who cannot bear to see a more expensive car than his in the company car park. His car has become a measure of his standing. Or imagine someone trying to answer hurt and humiliation with another expensive purchase. The object promises relief, but the comparison that made it necessary is still waiting outside.

This is what interests me about the ego: the next possession may briefly soothe it without changing the demand. Whole industries know how to appeal to that demand. Beauty standards can work in much the same way, making a person feel inadequate before offering something to buy. I do not think that accumulating more can, by itself, settle the underlying unease.

The Temptation of Saint Anthony

Two European paintings give this question a dramatic form. Dalí’s The Temptation of Saint Anthony dates from 1946. The little figure at the lower left confronts a procession whose scale is almost absurd: a rearing horse and elephants carrying bodies, an obelisk and buildings on impossibly thin legs.[1]

Salvator Rosa treated the same subject in the seventeenth century. His saint lies on the ground and holds up a cross against a towering, skeletal creature. The threat is close and physical. Looking from one painting to the other, I am interested in how temptation acquires a body. The shared subject does not, by itself, establish that Dalí based his painting on Rosa’s.

Salvador Dalí

In Dalí, I read the procession as a display of desire: splendour, possession, sensual attraction and power. Its fragile legs make all that weight seem precarious. The saint is almost naked and tiny beside what approaches him. The more imposing the procession becomes, the less secure it looks.

For the purpose of this essay, those apparitions can stand for pressures we carry within us. That is my way into the picture. What I see first is the posture of resistance: the solitary figure holding something back.

The Painting Attributed to Shi Ke

The ink painting below offers me another posture. A figure rests against a tiger. Robe, body and animal settle into one compact arrangement; the bold brushwork seems to gather them together. The tiger is still a tiger, but no battle is taking place.

The work needs a more careful label than “Shi Ke, tenth century”. Tokyo National Museum catalogues the pair to which it belongs as traditionally attributed to Shi Ke, while dating the surviving paintings to the thirteenth-century Southern Song. Shi Ke himself was a tenth-century painter. The traditional title refers to the second patriarch, but the identity of the depicted figures has also been questioned.[2]

In my reading, the tiger can stand for the ego. What moves me is the possibility of resting beside its strength without either feeding it or trying to destroy it. I am using the animal as a metaphor here, rather than claiming that “tiger equals ego” is the painting’s established historical meaning. Its calm gives the question a different shape from the raised cross.

Daoism

A useful starting point is the Daodejing’s language of simplicity and reduced desire. Chapter 19 joins the image of the uncarved block with a call to lessen self-interest and craving.[3] For me, this suggests loosening a demand imposed on life: that everything should confirm the importance of “me”.

The uncarved block, pu (樸), is an image of simplicity and potential. It does not establish a universal Daoist doctrine of a pure, permanently unchanging self hidden behind a false ego. Daoist texts and later interpreters approach self-cultivation in different ways. I find the movement away from rigid self-assertion more useful here than a fixed division into two inner beings.

Zen requires care too. Its language of Buddha-nature can invite a comparison with a “true self”, but it should not simply be turned into an eternal personal essence. In Dōgen’s discussion of Buddha-nature, impermanence itself is central.[4] That gives me a more open question: what remains possible when I stop insisting that my familiar image of myself must stay intact?

Reflections from the Texts

In the Zhuangzi’s chapter Qiwulun, heaven and earth arise together with “me”, and the myriad things and “I” are spoken of as one.[5] I read this as a challenge to the certainty that I stand apart from everything I encounter. It is a difficult passage, not a short definition of a larger, permanent self.

The image of waves and sea helps me think about this: a wave has a particular form, but it cannot be separated from the water around it. I use that as an analogy, without claiming that every Daoist or Buddhist text makes the same argument.

Constant comparison pulls me in the other direction. Someone will always have more money, more skill or a more admired appearance. When those comparisons decide what I am worth, there is no obvious point at which enough becomes enough. Chang Chung-yuan’s discussion of subject and object has helped me reflect on that habit of standing apart and measuring.[6]

I remain sceptical that ever more regulations can resolve a problem rooted in this demand for status. Rules alone cannot do the inner work for us. Nor do I want to spend a life pursuing goals simply because other people have decided that they matter. That is the practical concern behind these images and readings.

When I return to the ink painting, it is the relaxed weight of the figure that stays with me. The animal has not disappeared. What would it mean to stop making every encounter with it into a fight?


Footnotes

[1] The Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium catalogue Dalí’s painting as 1946, oil on canvas. For Rosa’s Florentine context and the Temptations in the Galleria Palatina, see the Uffizi’s account of his work. The comparisons made here are my readings of the pictures. ↩

[2] See Tokyo National Museum’s collection entry and the e-Museum record. The latter discusses possible Buddhist and Daoist figures, including Bukan (Fenggan), rather than treating the traditional patriarch identification as certain. ↩

[3] Daodejing, chapter 19: 見素抱樸,少私寡欲. The passage connects simplicity and the uncarved block with reduced self-interest and desire. The English discussion above is a paraphrase. ↩

[4] See Dōgen’s Buddha Nature discussion in the Soto Zen journal Dharma Eye, no. 25. A contemporary comparative proposal is The Taiji Model of Self II; it is a particular model, rather than a single definition binding on Daoism and Buddhism. ↩

[5] Zhuangzi, Qiwulun (The Adjustment of Controversies): 天地與我並生,而萬物與我為一. The surrounding discussion also questions what it means to call things “one”. ↩

[6] Chang Chung-yuan: Tao, Zen und schöpferische Kraft, Diederichs Gelbe Reihe, Düsseldorf, 1975, p. 71, the edition cited in the original article. The earlier meditation analogy is useful to me as an image of not feeding a thought; it is not a promise that thoughts can simply be made to disappear. ↩


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45 responses to “Ego vs. Self in Daoism: A Western & Asian View”

  1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

    Thank you very much, Christine! Have a bright weekend and a colorful palette!

  2. Nautilus avatar

    Ich denke, die moderne Wissenschaft befasst sich mit der Natur, die durch unser Ego gefiltert wird … und deshalb wird die Wissenschaft niemals ausreichen, um die wahre Natur zu verstehen.

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Danke! Genau so sehe ich es auch! Die Wissenschaften, vor allem die Naturwissenschaften, sind grossartige Werkzeuge fuer alles Messbare. Fuer Fragen ausserhalb des Greifbaren taugen sie aber nicht.

  3. swabby429 avatar

    My psychology professor once explained his view about the manifestations of our egos along a spectrum. At one extreme, we are aggressive, at the other extreme we are completely passive. At some variable place between the two, we find balance through assertiveness.

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thanks! An interesting point of view! Our ego is of course a very complex and multi-layered thing – otherwise we wouldn’t need so many psychoanalysts. Personally, and in reflection in my social environment, I experience that many problems are ego-related and become insignificant when we are in our selves.

      1. swabby429 avatar

        Many of us spend a lifetime juggling with our egos.

      2. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

        And some go to heaven and some go to court 😎

  4. julianeus avatar

    .✌😀👍

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you very much 🙏😊☀️

  5. The Sicilian Storyteller avatar

    Faszinierend, Doktor Zettl!

    A most enjoyable post, Fred!

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      You are so kind 🤩 Thank you very much 😊 Have a great weekend 🌹

      1. The Sicilian Storyteller avatar

        My pleasure for sure! Thanks so much!

  6. Dana at Regular Girl Devos avatar

    Thank you, Friedrich, for an interesting and informative article. You well chose your art pieces to emphasize your points. Because my writing focus is self-care, I especially liked the quote by the psychotherapist on his patients: “the common problem was they could not love themselves.” The apostle Paul also addressed this universal truth: “For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you Dana, I’m so glad you found this little article useful. Yes, basically it’s always about love. Selfcare is a fascinating topic. Sometimes, as someone who tends to exploit himself, I think I should do some research on this subject.

      1. Dana at Regular Girl Devos avatar

        I find the subject of self care interesting, so many nuances, and essential to my mental health!

      2. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

        We live in very challenging times and the pace is steadily increasing. If we don’t take care of our mental health, we risk getting lost in a maze that isn’t ours. You certainly know figures from the pharmaceutical industry in this area.

  7. J M Negi avatar

    Very nice and enjoyable. Thanks.

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you very much! I am glad you enjoyed it. All the best! f

      1. J M Negi avatar

        Heartily welcome.

  8. Ashley avatar

    Thank you, Friedrich, for this excellent post! I really need to learn to mediate and find ways to stop the constant internal arguments. 🙏

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      I thank you Ashley! Of course it takes time and patience. I did meditate as a teenager, but not for decades – too much work. Only years ago when I started again and managed to calm down “the horde of monkeys upstairs” did I become calmer and happier myself and began to set other priorities. It’s not my place to give advice to other people, but I think there’s no harm in trying it out to see if it suits you or not. We are all different…

  9. Rosaliene Bacchus avatar

    Friedrich, thanks very much for sharing your insights about the ego versus self. Your selection of paintings is illuminating. In being present to the plant life around me, I am learning to “[let] go of the ego and [connect] with the true self…” More than ever before, we humans need to “realize [our] true nature as part of the interconnected web of existence.” A Happy Earth Day!

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Happy Earth Day to you too, Rosaliene! You’re absolutely right, of course, and almost all of us have experienced how we’re suddenly resting in our “self” when we’re gardening or otherwise closely connected to nature. This is also the core of the Daoist thinking, to become one again with nature, from which we are (sometimes very far) away.

  10. Mike U. avatar

    Insightful and extremely well written. We most definitely see major ego issues here in the States among certain political charlatans, that’s for sure. You have such a wealth of knowledge and you’re so generous in sharing it with your readers, Friedrich. I always learn something when I read your posts, and for that I thank you, good sir! 🙂

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      You are very kind, Mike, as always and I have to thank you for taking time reading and commenting. Since we live in an ego-driven world I thought it could be interesting to see this phenomenon from another perspective. Thank you again 😄🙏

  11. acrylicphil avatar

    Thank you, Friedrich. Your posts are always deeply satisfying and enlightening. Lots for all of us to think about here.

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you Phil! I’m glad you can relate to this little food for thought. Of course, we all know that the topic is far too complex to be covered in a blog post. But sometimes it seems helpful to look at an issue from the perspective of another philosophy. At least I think so.

  12. artsofmay avatar

    Thank you for this excellent post. I love the image of the tiger and the monk which I wasn’t familiar with.

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you so much! I am glad you like it! BTW: Shi Ke used very coarse brushes made of straw for shaping lines 🙂

      1. artsofmay avatar

        How interesting to hear about the coarse brushes Shi Ke used.

      2. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

        🙂 Zhang Xu (張旭, 8th ct, one of the Eight Immortals of the Wine Cup) would, whenever he was drunk, use his hair as brush to perform his art, and upon his waking up, he would be amazed by the quality of those works but failed to produce them again in his sober state.

      3. artsofmay avatar

        Wonderful!

  13. Edith avatar

    Lieber Friedrich, danke für diese Thematik. Auch ich war an einem Punkt, indem in einfach das loslassen musste, was mich verschob, mich nicht mehr mich selbst sein ließ. Es liebt gar nicht oft an uns selbst, dass wir uns verlieren, wir werden mitgezogen, gedrängt, reingepresst. Ja, man muss an sich selbst arbeiten, um den Verschiebungen nicht dauerhaft zu erliegen. Ego ist ein großes Wort, es ist die Vorstellung vom eigenen Ich. Es ist austauschbar für einen selbst, denn wir sind nicht ständig die gleichen, weil sich um uns ja auch alles fortwährend ändert. Doch die harte Schale dessen bleibt. Man kann an allem arbeiten, wenn man nur will, denke ich.
    Danke für die passenden Bilder dazu. An den Literaturquellen bin ich noch dran. Mich fesselt es.
    DANKE, du Lieber, du sorgst für geistigen Stoff.
    Herzlichst, Edith

  14. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

    Danke vielmals 🌹 Es freut mich sehr, dass Du den verkürzten Betrachtungen etwas abgewinnen kannst. Ja, das Ego ist ein Hund 😎🙏☀️

  15. courtleymanor avatar

    Thank you for writing this, it’s brilliant. I don’t think I’ve ever read a simpler description of these basic Daoist and Zen Buddhist philosophical concepts that many of us Westerners often fail to grasp or else confuse with Western psychological ones that use the same or similar terminology. Kudos!

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you so much for your kind words 💕 I am very happy to hear that my attempt did not fail. Kudos back! 🌹

  16. Tanya Jean avatar

    Bravo! ❤️

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you very much 🙏😊

  17. Nirjablangbaro avatar

    Is this a legend

  18. Cindy Georgakas avatar

    Words from a knowing soul Friedrich. Wonderful sharing and pictures always! 🥰

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you Cindy, you are very kind 🌹I am glad you like it. 🙏

      1. Cindy Georgakas avatar

        I really did and it is deserving Frederick! ❣️

  19. shreyar2000 avatar

    I loved your post very much. Insightful and beautiful ❣️☺️

    1. Zettl Fine Arts avatar

      Thank you very much! I am so sorry I only saw your kind comment today!

      1. shreyar2000 avatar

        ❤️😇😇

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